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Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:41:05 PM | How to control where the cut plane is for families?

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I created a separate casework family for a beam and post wood cladding and then inserted it into my model.  The cut plane is showing the beam when the floor plan's cut plane is set at +42".  The family's cut plane is set to +4'.  The bottom of the beam is at +86" so it shouldn't display right?  What am I doing wrong here???

 

 



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Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 5:54:11 AM | How to control where the cut plane is for families?

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That is the behaviour  of casework template, not the problem with view range. For your requirement, you can hide the beam at plan from the visibility settings in the family and load.

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Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:35:41 PM | Interesting...

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Hi Pavan,

 Thanks for the input.  A quirky fine point on the casework family characteristics...  but interesting to know.

When I changed the family type to "Generic" it displays as expected.... But that makes it challenging to selectively display views so there is a tradeoff...

Also, if I model the objects in place, it also displays as expected.

 "For your requirement, you can hide the beam at plan from the visibility settings in the family and load."

Can you please elaborate? 

 1. I opened the Casework version of the family in question in the family editor,

2. went to (right click) view properties while in the reference plan view

3. Under the instance properties, I clicked on "Visibility/Graphics Overides

 Then I hit the wall and can't figure out how to proceed or what to tweak to affect the display visibilty settings... all I see is linework settings.... ?

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Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:29:02 AM | How to control where the cut plane is for families?

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I believe what Pavan is talking about is in the family there is a button called "visibility settings" it allows you to check three boxes to determine where the family is displayed... plan, section, 3d. It also allows you to toggle detail levels that the family is visible in.

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Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 4:19:59 PM | How to control where the cut plane is for families?

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Yes 'Visibility Settings' are often confused with 'visibility graphics'. Two different applications. See images below. In  After you click on a extrusion, sweep, blend (one or more) etc in the family editor the button will appear on the ribbon or options bar (2009). Note there is an option for 'Plan/RPC' and 'When Cut in 'Plan/RCP' (if category permits).

 

I also suggest you go into the 'view range' dialog box and click the 'help' button right in the dialog box and read up on 'view ranges'. Specifically the 'Additional notes'. View range has some exceptions and it is not black and whilte. Specifically with certain family categories.

 

  •  Model elements located outside of the view range generally are not shown in the view. The exceptions are floors, stairs, ramps, and components that stay or are mounted on the floor (like furniture). These are shown even when slightly below the view range. In addition, fascia, gutters, and edge slabs are shown when their bottoms are within a tolerance of the primary view range bottom.
  • Floors located outside the view range use an adjusted range that is 4 feet (approximately 1.22 meters) below the bottom of the primary range. Floors are drawn with the Beyond line style if the floor exists within this adjusted range.

  • Elements that are strictly below the cut plane, but are at least partially within the view range, are shown as viewed from above. Components display according to Family Element Visibility Settings for Plan/RCP. See Managing Family Visibility and Detail Level
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  • Walls shorter than 6 feet (approximately 1.83 meters) are not cut, even if they intersect the cut plane.

    The 6 feet are measured from the top of the bounding box to the bottom of the primary view range. For example, if you create a wall with a sloped top face, when the top of the wall is 6 feet away from the bottom of the primary view range, the wall is cut at the cut plane. When the top of the wall is less than 6 feet, the entire wall shows as projection even where it intersects the cut plane. This behavior always occurs when the Top Constraint property for the wall is specified as Unconnected.

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  • There are a few categories for which an element located above the cut plane but partially below the top clip is shown in plan. These categories include windows, casework, and generic model. These objects are shown as viewed from above.
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  • Visibility in RCP views is similar to plan views with the exception that objects are presented as viewed from below and mirrored.


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