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Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:08:57 AM | Door Family creation questions: Revit 2010

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1. How to change the rough opening height in a new door family? 

I may have deleted the dimension that controls that parameter in the family editor .  The wall opening in the door family does not have adjustment handles and I can't figure out how to edit the wall profile.  I tried putting a dimension back on the rough wall opening and changed the label to "Rough Opening".  The wall opening is stuck at 7'-0" and I need a custom wall opening height dimension of 91".

 2. I started creating horizontal panels in the sectional residential door.  18" high x 16'-2" long x 1-3/8" deep.  I can lock one face to the inside of the wall, but the other face does not offer a padlock symbol to lock it to another reference plane that is 1-3/8" away from the inside wall face.  So the panels look fine in the family editor but in the project are located maybe a foot inside the wall.... 

 


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Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:17:06 AM | Door Family creation questions: Revit 2010

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I'm also having the same front/back location locking issue when I create individual beveled panels inside the long 18" high sections.  The squarish beveled panels are not locked or referenced to the inside wall face but it looks like the panels are referencing from the wall centerline.  I don't see the dimensional padlock symbols to lock the face of the beveled panels to the inside of wall reference plane...  How do I lock the panels BEFORE I copy them so that they are locked to the inside wall face after I copy them?  There are 40 beveled panels + 40 thin flat panels to place in the sections so dimensionally locking so many panel faces is a giant headache (320 panel faces)...

As a work around is there any advantage to creating a separate sub-family for the panels and then loading them into the main sectional door family?

 Insights are greatly appreciated!


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Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:19:26 AM | Door Family creation questions: Revit 2010

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To change the profile of the wall opening, goto a elevation view and put your cursor over the edge of the wall opening. Hit TAB and down in the lower left it will tell you when you are selecting the wall opening. Click on it and hit edit sketch. This will allow you to adjust the profile lines of the opening.

Not quite sure  exactly what you are looking for with locking objects to planes. I got a little confused while reading. But a few good things to remember are using the Align command when drawing the profiles for your extrusions or whaterver. This will allow you to lock the profile lines to Ref planes. Also dont forget to make sure your elements are being created on the correct ref planes. If you are using 2010 you can goto the home tab to set you ref plane.

If this dosent help you any let me know.


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Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:03:32 AM | Door Family creation questions: Revit 2010

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I'm also having the same front/back location locking issue when I create individual beveled panels inside the long 18" high sections.  The squarish beveled panels are not locked or referenced to the inside wall face but it looks like the panels are referencing from the wall centerline.  I don't see the dimensional padlock symbols to lock the face of the beveled panels to the inside of wall reference plane...  How do I lock the panels BEFORE I copy them so that they are locked to the inside wall face after I copy them?  There are 40 beveled panels + 40 thin flat panels to place in the sections so dimensionally locking so many panel faces is a giant headache (320 panel faces)...

As a work around is there any advantage to creating a separate sub-family for the panels and then loading them into the main sectional door family?

 Insights are greatly appreciated!


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Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:50:56 PM | Door Family creation questions: Revit 2010

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Do you mind posting this family on here so i cant take a better look at what you are trying to do.

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Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:55:30 PM | Door Family creation questions: Revit 2010

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Post your family on here so I can see how you are modeling these panels.


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Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:50:03 PM | Door Family creation questions: Revit 2010

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I'm also having the same front/back location locking issue when I create individual beveled panels inside the long 18" high sections.  The squarish beveled panels are not locked or referenced to the inside wall face but it looks like the panels are referencing from the wall centerline.  I don't see the dimensional padlock symbols to lock the face of the beveled panels to the inside of wall reference plane...  How do I lock the panels BEFORE I copy them so that they are locked to the inside wall face after I copy them?  There are 40 beveled panels + 40 thin flat panels to place in the sections so dimensionally locking so many panel faces is a giant headache (320 panel faces)...

As a work around is there any advantage to creating a separate sub-family for the panels and then loading them into the main sectional door family?

 Insights are greatly appreciated!


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Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 5:51:42 PM | Door Family creation questions: Revit 2010

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Here's the family, the first version

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Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:19:27 PM | Door Family creation questions: Revit 2010

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Here's the 2nd version where I built sub-families for the horizontal panels.... it was easier to keep the panels placed that way.

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Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:52:46 PM | Door Family creation questions: Revit 2010

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Wow that's a lot of Ref. Planes.

For starters, you need to limit the number that you are using. There seems to be a few unnecessary planes in their.

Second, Not all of the Ref. Planes need to be a week reference, if you don't need to dimension to them in a project, set them to "Not a Reference" in their properties...other wise your dims in a project will snap all over the place.

Also on your ref planes...good idea to name them so you have a clear understanding of what they are controlling. 

Since you made your panels as a nested family, you shouldn't need all the ref planes in the parent family to lock and constrain all 80 of the panels as that should be controlled in the nested family. If they change shape of size once loaded into the parent family, you need to check the constraints in the panel family. 

As for locking them prior to copying them, as AllenBall mention...the align tool. Just place the panel family, then align and lock it where it needs to go. You should only have to align and lock to constrain the entire panel in X, Y, Z axis...4 locks at most. It sounds like from both your questions...the align tool will solve half your issues. 

As a side note, you may want to look into setting the panel width to equal the door width by linking their properties...makes life easier.

 



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Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 7:13:43 PM | Door Family creation questions: Revit 2010

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Here's the 2nd version where I built sub-families for the horizontal panels.... it was easier to keep the panels placed that way.

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Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 9:46:36 PM | Door Family creation questions: Revit 2010

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Hi Brett,

 

Thanks for the input.  A few questions:

 

Wow that's a lot of Ref. Planes.

For starters, you need to limit the number that you are using. There seems to be a few unnecessary planes in there.

Yes, once I nested objects, some of them are no longer necessary and add clutter.

Second, Not all of the Ref. Planes need to be a week reference, if you don't need to dimension to them in a project, set them to "Not a Reference" in their properties...other wise your dims in a project will snap all over the place.

Thanks, a good tip.

Also on your ref planes...good idea to name them so you have a clear understanding of what they are controlling. 

Yes, that makes it easier to reference when creating additional solids.

Since you made your panels as a nested family, you shouldn't need all the ref planes in the parent family to lock and constrain all 80 of the panels as that should be controlled in the nested family. If they change shape of size once loaded into the parent family, you need to check the constraints in the panel family. 

Is the "work around strategy" of creating sub family objects to manage complexity a good one?  i.e. best practice to avoid headaches?

As for locking them prior to copying them, as AllenBall mention...the align tool. Just place the panel family, then align and lock it where it needs to go. You should only have to align and lock to constrain the entire panel in X, Y, Z axis...4 locks at most. It sounds like from both your questions...the align tool will solve half your issues. 

I will try that, thanks. 

As a side note, you may want to look into setting the panel width to equal the door width by linking their properties...makes life easier.

 Can you please elaborate on how to "Link their properties"?  Is that by placing a labeled dimension so that they both operate with the same parasmeter? I was trying to make the panel an inch wider on each side so that it looks like a real door.

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Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:17:43 PM | Devonshire

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Is the "work around strategy" of creating sub family objects to manage complexity a good one?  i.e. best practice to avoid headaches?

I like to use nested families as they can ease the headach of trying to control and manage all the parameters and ref. planes in one family. A lot of times it's just easier. However, I wouldn't go crazey and nest too much as it will cause a performance strain on Revit.

Nested families are great if adding a family parameter to switch out door panel types...things like that.

 Can you please elaborate on how to "Link their properties"?  Is that by placing a labeled dimension so that they both operate with the same parasmeter? I was trying to make the panel an inch wider on each side so that it looks like a real door.

Linking family parameters is really easy to do. I would read the help file using "Linking Family Parameters" to get a better understanding of the concept prior to trying it out. 

But in short, when creating a nested family, in this case your door panel, in order to control the properties of the nested family, the host family needs to be concious of the nested families parameters.

So lets say that your door panel has a width parameter.

You need a way to control that width once it's loaded into the host, or the overall family.

If you want the panel width to equal the door width, therefore change with the hoast, you link the panel width to the hoast width.

You can do the same for pretty much all the parameters.

If you want to control the material of the nested panel, link that property to a hoast material property and so on.

 

In your case, since you want to panels to be 1" wider, you may want to make a new parameter in the hoast family and call it panel width.

Then in the formula section for panel width write:  Witdh +1" (This may vary based on how you have the width set up in the panel family.)

Then, link the panel's width parameter to the newly created "panel width" parameter.

Now, when you change the hoast families width, the panel width will update to be 1" bigger because it is linked to parameter who's value is based one the hoast width value.

 

 

so...now that I have confused  probably everyone reading this...I think I will stop here.

 


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