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Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:07:16 PM | Nested family always vertical?

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Hello,  thanks for reading.  I am using Revit 2010, and working on making an overhead bi-fold door family. Some of the doors will be 3 panels wide, and others will be 6 (or more), so I am intending to use a nested family that will be able to expand to match the needed requirements at different conditions.  The problem I am having is that I want to model the door panels so that they are in the open position;  I already have reference lines and parameters set up and flexing properly in section, but when I go to align the nested family with the sloping reference lines, Revit tells me I cannot rotate element into this position (right now the nested family is a Generic Model with simple height, width, and thickness paramterers).  At first I thought I could fix this by going back into the nested family and un-checking the box for "Always Vertical" in its Family Category and Parameters settings.  Sadly this did not resolve the issue.  Does anyone have any suggestions? Maybe I missed something....

Thank you for your help!

 


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Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:37:21 PM | Nested family always vertical?

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I am having the same issue as you are.  I am trying to have a nested family rotate in the new family that I am creating as a radial array.  The nested family needs to be rotated out of the plane that is was created in, but I get the same error message as you when I attempt to do this. 

I have tried adding a rotation parameter with a reference line attached to the nested family.  This works so long as your angle never is to be 0, 90, 180, or 360.  Other wise the reference line gets locking along one of theses axes and is no longer able to be rotated out of it.  I end up with a remove constraints button when the reference line is along one of thoe axes.  Removing the constraints remove the parameter label and the rotation ability is henceforth lost, which bring me back to the previous error that you are getting.  

If I figure anything else out or get it to work, I'll post it.

 


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Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 7:29:44 PM | Nested family always vertical?

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Is the nested family hosted?

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Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:35:09 PM | Nested family always vertical?

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I have this same problem.  Did anyone figure out this problem?  The nested family i am trying to rotate is generic family, not attached to anything.

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Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:05:56 PM | Nested family always vertical?

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I didn't get my original bifold door to work in the exact way that I wanted, but I was able to make a working version.  It has been a while, but as I recall I went back into the nested panel family, and set it up so that it would have an angle parameter.  When it was loaded into the main family (in my case, it was the door frame family), I had an angle parameter that I could then map to the nested angle parameter.  So I guess the rotation had to happen in the nested family instead of trying to use the align and lock tools within the main family.  The only thing that I didn't quite manage to control was the horizontal offset of where the hinges would be in relation to the frame.  I might have been able to do it with some more tinkering, but you know how deadlines go.  It worked, it was close enough, and we went with it.  You can take a look at the attached family and see if it can offer you any clues to your situation.

I hope this helps.Good luck!

 



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Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:51:33 PM | Nested family always vertical?

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Thanks for replying.  i am trying to create a diffcult object i guess.  it is a cable support wth eye hook type ends.  I created the eye hooks as sepearte families and nested them in to the cable family.  as you already know you can not jsut rotate nested families inside other families easily.  i will up load my file and see if anyone can help.  I have been able to adjust the angle on a single extrusion but never a nested fmaily.  It is simple things like this that will drive  a person crazy with this program.

 



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Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:19:28 AM | Nested family always vertical?

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Hi again,

You do have a tricky object here. The first thing I noticed when looking at your file is that you had the eye bolts placed in the family as groups, not as nested families.  In order to get the object rotating just right, I put the eyebolt into a separate generic model family which I am then loading back into the host family.  I modeled the eyebolt family as one solid, with one void cutting through it, and then I assigned a reference line an angle parameter.    When the eyebolt is loaded into the main family, I can get it to follow along with the angle parameter (I used length & height to determine the angle parameter).

Sadly I haven't quite worked out everything yet- I can only rotate the nested family between 0-90 degrees for some reason.  Maybe someone else can pick up where I left off?  If I get a chance, I will try to keep going.

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Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:11:49 PM | Nested family always vertical?

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Thanks again for the reply.  I think I sent you the wrong family i had made.  In one of my scenarios i thought maybe grouping stuff together might work better than making the in place family.  I will investigate the 0-90 issue.  After looking at the piece you made I think I can get what I want if I just make the cable and the 2 eye hooks as one solid revolve.  However if the hook are different materials than the cable then I am screwed but none the less it should make it easier to adjust length and angle.   

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Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 5:44:44 PM | Nested family always vertical?

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Ok I have the piece able to adjust to multiple angles up to 179 degrees but no more.  essentially i cannot get the piece to be orientated vertically.  Now when I added the angle parameter to this thing i cannot get the length parameter to adjust properly.  The overall piece works correctly but the void does not follow the end of the piece the way i want it to.  Also for some reason once i assigned the angle parameter to the family it automatically mirrored it after i made the change to the angle.  I have tried a bunch of ways of aliging and none seem to work and what is strange is one end works properly while the other end does not.  take a look and see if this is what you were looking for on the adjusting the angle cobblea.



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Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:55:02 PM | Nested family always vertical?

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The problem might be already figured out, but see the tutorial in attached link, it may give a hint..

HTH

http://therevitkid.blogspot.com/2009/05/tutorial-door-swing-angle-plan.html


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