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So you get to play with the new toys first...
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Yeah, there are a lot of people that do it. I encourage more people to sign up for the Revit beta. https://beta.autodesk.com/signup/
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mrmoo is talking about keyboard shortcuts.. more and more revit users say shortcuts are the answer.. but i think alabaster is right- you could get used to patiently weaving your way in and out of the ribbons and panels and be happy it's not hand drafting.. not only that- but the ribbon really LOOKS modern and it especially looks like all those hot new microsoft programs.. and if somebody never used revit before 2010 they wouldn't know anything else.. if anyone gets anymore information on left hand programmable key pads please post it here- thanks..
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bazar- so if you are working in a context and you want to change to thin lines but that command is not on the context ribbon you are working in- do you mind cancelling out of that context and going into anothing ribbon for the thin line command and then coming back and starting the context over again? is that the part you love about the ribbon?
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" bazar- so if you are working in a context and you want to change to thin lines but that command is not on the context ribbon you are working in- do you mind cancelling out of that context and going into anothing ribbon for the thin line command and then coming back and starting the context over again? is that the part you love about the ribbon? " While it diesn't always knock you out of a command, it is certainly annoying.
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" " bazar- so if you are working in a context and you want to change to thin lines but that command is not on the context ribbon you are working in- do you mind cancelling out of that context and going into anothing ribbon for the thin line command and then coming back and starting the context over again? is that the part you love about the ribbon? " While it diesn't always knock you out of a command, it is certainly annoying. "
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bazar is actually being very practical- although i can't really see how any long-time revit users would "love" the ribbon- but it's true- just fill up the QAT with tools and use a few keys on your keyboard and maybe put the right numeric pad next to the left side of your keyboard and go with the flow.. also i'm sure they will make all that a little better for 2011.. (or even sooner)
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I've only been using Revit for 2 years, so I don't know if that makes me a "long-time revit user." As far as my love for the ribbon...I feel it is easier to use because of its graphics, how an explanation expands when you hover on an icon, that appropriate tools pop up when you click on an object. It also gives more horizontal screen space. I also get a bit frustrated when people are so quick to bash something because it's new and they don't know how to use it.
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I am testing a Nostromo gaming pad (Belkin n52te) to reduce my time using 2 keystroke commands and working within the ribbon. Here is my macro setup and it is sort of evolving as I find what works and what doesnt. You can see that the commands in color are specific to that Keymap and the black ones are universal.
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Don't map something you use a lot to the 'space bar' because repeted use of that one will cause it to stick.
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well this is not a two hundered dollar programmable keypad so i like that part.. how many key map swaps can you do? just three? and how do you know which key map is active? as for what bazar is saying about the ribbon in general: "easier to use because of its graphics" - sometimes i like all those graphics too.. "how an explanation expands when you hover" - no matter how much you know about a command- it's sometimes nice to see the explanation.. i like that too.. "appropriate tools pop up when you click on an object" - that's a really nice thing- except much of the time all the tools you need in that context are not there.. so that means you need all the tools elsewhere- and then you got that context menu half full of tools you don't used from there.. "more screen space" ??? no- more that what? more than the classic?.. remember you could push the design bar down to just the icons once you learned what they were- then you had the same view window space as we now have with the ribbon open and even more with the old when we bring the QAT down.. at the very least there is no difference with view window space.. but yes you could say more horizontal view window space- but at the loss of vertical space.. but then that just becomes a function of your resolution.. and the monitors are already too wide for me these days.. "I also get a bit frustrated when people are so quick to bash something because it's new and they don't know how to use it." but new is the best time for bashing..
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Yes it is three Keymaps with 15 keys/Scroll/D-Pad and once extra button. On the lower right of the D-Pad are 3 LED lights and whatever Keymap I am in that color LED is lit up. So far the immediate benefit I see is the reduction of repeditive movement. I am going to use it for a few more days and see if I can any speed with it.
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alabaster- i'll just let you be the human guinea pig with this thing and i'll be checking back with you in a week or so.. but it sounds like you might be on to something good.. i guess you would have to look down and see what keymap light is lit- but that seems fine.. i like the idea of low cost top name brand stuff like that.. at least it's a start- and they do make more expensive pads with more keys..
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one thing i did was put the same tools on the QAT that were on the classic and in much the same order.. i'm not saying that's a big deal- but it might be something like a base of reference.. maybe some of those tools won't get used because of the way the ribbon works and maybe some are needed there.. i just haven't figured out what tools need to be on the QAT and which ones don't..
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To all the people saying that you "CANNOT" switch to the 2009 UI interface. You either don't know how or refuse to let people on to what they want to hear. You can switch back to the 2009 UI and it's a very simple process. You will, however, likely lose a touch of functionality with a few tools. For the most part you probably won't notice though. You will need to open your revit program folder (Likely C:\Program Files\Autodesk\Revit Architecture 2010\Program). You will need to create an .ini file named Debug and place it in that folder. Enter this information in the Debug.ini file: [DebugModes] Use2009UI=1 Drop that into the revit program folder and voila! Done deal. No thanks to Autodesk for keeping their lips zipped on this one. Enjoy! Alternatively I have attached the .ini file in case you don't feel comfortable creating it yourself. Just rename the file Debug.ini If you wish to go back to the 2010 ribbons then just delete the Debug.ini file you placed in the program folder. You will no doubt see a pretty decent increase in speed in going back to the old UI. Edited on: Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:00:59 PM
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