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Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:00:55 PM | Moving Annotation Symbols without moving objects

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Is it possible to move an annotation symbol in a project (plan view) without moving the object it is attached to (i.e. un-attach the annotation symbol and leave the object in place)?  I have a headwall with multiple receptacles, etc. that overlap in plan view, but I can't move the symbols around without moving the actual object.  Anybody?

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Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:35:39 PM | Moving Annotation Symbols without moving objects

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Are they really just symbols or are they nested symbols in a wall hosted family?

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Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:57:36 PM | Moving Annotation Symbols without moving objects

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they are annotation families (which contain generic annotations and labels) imbedded within the family of the receptacle, switch, etc.  basically the same way Revit does the annotations by default for receptacles and switches. 

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Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 9:28:29 PM | Moving Annotation Symbols without moving objects

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As I expected ... they are nested in the family ... which must be wall based.  If so - you can't move them because their location is fixed in the outlet/switch/whatever family.  If they were a seperate symbol added afterwards, you would not have a problem.

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Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:51:44 PM | Moving Annotation Symbols without moving objects

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I have an "annotation offset" distance parameter and a linear dimension in my receptacle family set up to move the annotation away from the surface without moving the receptacle itself.  Default is 0 so it starts out on the wall, but if you need it to move out, you just offset it a foot or so.  You could take this in another direction if you want with "annotation offset left/right" and give it positive and negative values depending on which direction you want to move it.

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Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:33:46 PM | Moving Annotation Symbols without moving objects

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thanks a lot guys.  I appreciate the input.

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Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:08:12 PM | Moving Annotation Symbols without moving objects

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'You could take this in another direction if you want with "annotation offset left/right" and give it positive and negative values depending on which direction you want to move it.'

This is basically the issue I am working on.. Unfortunately Revit does not allow you to input negative lengths.  Meaning, when I tie my annotation to a reference line to one side of my device center line, things work fine, with positive lengths.  Positive lengths simply move the annotation towards the reference line.  You might think (like I did) that this would mean negative lengths would move it the opposite direction, but Revit does not allow negative lengths.

Anyone know what am I missing here?


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Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:09:58 PM | Moving Annotation Symbols without moving objects

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Just a follow up item.. I am using Revit MEP 2011.


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Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:28:10 PM | Moving Annotation Symbols without moving objects

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Make two identical labels in the annotation family.

 

Assign visibility to a yes/no parameter. For instance, make your standard label on the left side, make a yes/no property that makes visible a copy of the label on the right side. Then a formula for the left-side label that turns it off when the yes/no returns a 'true' value.

 

Both labels can locate off the same length dimension (from centerline) property, just visibility is controlled by one yes/no parameter.

 

I'm at home now, but I can scratch up an annotation symbol when I get to work in morning, for a better idea of what I'm saying...or you can just use it and tweak it to your liking, if you want.

 

I hope I make sense. I know things work right in my head, but putting them into words hardly ever works right; I stumble a lot and leave things out.

 

(also posted this on CADTutor, hate the copy/pasted text)



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Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:39:43 PM | Moving Annotation Symbols without moving objects

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That does make complete sense.  In fact it was something I looked into briefly, but being new to this, I was concerned that this might require additional work for my other text parameters.  I think I will have to give this a shot and see how it turns out.

I do have to say that it makes me feel better that I was on the right track.. that means I am actually learning something.

Thanks!


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