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suedehart

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I've had this happen enough times that I am getting frustrated!  I edit a door or window family, get it where I want it and think it's perfect, and then I notice that the frames (which are masses and aligned with the outside surfaces of the wall) are being absorbed into the wall in elevation and don't show up.  If I select "shading with edges"  I can see that the frame is there, but it's overlapping the wall instead of showing in front of it like it's supposed to.

Does anyone know why this happens and how to correct it?  In the family file the frames appear to be aligned correctly and show up in the elevation views...is this just a glitch in the program?

 Any help is much appreciated!!

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Typhoon

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Can you put some images of the issue???

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suedehart

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Here are pdf's of the 3D model, and 3D/floor plan view within the family itself.  I suspect this has to do with how the program is defining the interior and exterior of the wall, but I don't know how to fix it (if it's even possible).

 In the building model, the door on the left is working properly, and the one on the right is not.

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Typhoon

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In that family you have the TRIM in the Two sides (interior and exterior) or only in one side??? My question is because in your 3D image (project) it's like the left door are placed in the exterior face and the right door it's in the interior face (or vice-versa)....

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suedehart

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The frame is on both sides - if you look at the plan view in the door family, you can see the masses aligned with each face of the wall.

 I don't understand why it worked before, and then after I edited it was messed up...obviously I did something but I don't know what.

 Thanks...

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qthdad

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Can you post the door family you are dealing with or an example of one with the problem?

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suedehart

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Here is the door family - thanks!

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qthdad

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I believe that one of your frame extrusion (I think front one) is not associated to the plane surface of the wall. It is unassociated, causing it to be recessed whenever the wall is thicker than 6".

6" being the default wall thickness defined in that door family.

I picked on the frame extrusion, clicked on Edit Work Plane and chose the surface. Appears to work after that.

As a rule, you need to flex your family. For door families, in addition to flexing the Family parameters, I would recommend also flexing the thickness of the wall. To do that, you would need to edit the wall structure properties.

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suedehart

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Thanks qthdad - I flexed the family, but didn't think to change the properties of the wall.  I will remember that from now on.

I appreciate the help!

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Thank you for this tread! Helped me even today. 

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