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Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 1:50:29 PM | Firm - making transistion from AutoCadd to Revit

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We are starting to make change to prepare to use Revit in our company. Construction Documents are the main finish product that we work towards. The issue of using color has us at a stand still almost, looking for information to help us decide to go with colored lines or use just the black lines on the white background. What are other companies doing for there construction documents ?


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Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:28:50 PM | Firm - making transistion from AutoCadd to Revit

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We still issue B&W but are using shaded elevations where we can.  The trouble with shading is that contractors don't know how to read this new item. 

 

I believe color will be on us shortly and I will welcome it.  We are also doing more 3D sections where appropriate.  They really work!


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Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 2:56:32 PM | Firm - making transistion from AutoCadd to Revit

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If color is use to identify line weight, does Revit function in the same way as with B & W ? We had some in house training and the fello who was doing the training recommended to stay with the B & W, just didn't make sense to some of us.

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Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:46:00 PM | Firm - making transistion from AutoCadd to Revit

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This is not AutoCAD so color is not typically related to pen size.  Pen size is set by line.  Wetypically have most of our lines black on the screen.  You can see the lineweights.

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Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:55:09 PM | Firm - making transistion from AutoCadd to Revit

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I underfstand this is not AutoCadd, we just want to use color to identify objects, like a wall, hatching or tile finish possibly. If the line weights are not much different in thickness how can you tell you have them on the correct line type?

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Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:48:02 PM | Firm - making transistion from AutoCadd to Revit

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Except for details, we really have very few lines.... again - this is not AutoCAD. You really need to start thinking differently.  The "lines" are not there - instead, you have model elements and the way the model elements are displayed is controlled globally but rules that are pretty good right out of the box.  I suggest you use these first before you get hung up with any office modifications.

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Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:08:29 PM | Firm - making transistion from AutoCadd to Revit

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  This is going to be interesting, I am even wondering if Revit is a good product for our company to use. We do water parks, indoor water park resorts, aquatic facilities, YMCA's, high school and college competition pools and so on. We really do more of an essembling of drawing once the sections and plan views are done. We do a lot of site piping drawings with numerous pipes leading from mechanical room/building to the pools. If will be hard to identify pipes if the are all the same "black" color. Oh well it is going to be a challege.

  I was looking for help and direction, but didn't seem to get much. You keep telling me this is not AutoCadd, geez like I don't know that, we do so many call outs refering to details. Our mechanical rooms are very busy and kind of complicated at times. Help is what I need and am looking for, you tell me to look at differently, so how do I do that when I haven't ever seen a project do in Revit, not to mention a pool project done in Revit.

  We had some in house training here awhile back and these guys got payed big bucks, and I feel it was a waste of money, they were from Avatech. They didn't seem interested in teaching what we needed to know, just had there books and page by page do this and do this now. Well anyway, can you tell I am frustrated with things, trying to implament this new software into our industry of pools and this was designed for buildings.

  Thanks for your feed back.


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Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:31:44 PM | Firm - making transistion from AutoCadd to Revit

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Sounds like your probably in a position that BIM can be a huge coordination boost for contractor coordination. If you are looking for a simple strategy to produce a paper product of drawings maybe cad is your best option. If you are looking for a strategy of a highly coordinated virtual model that maximizes building potential via simulation that not only impacts construction costs but also improves the life cycle of the building..... well then I would say go BIM.

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Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:46:13 PM | Firm - making transistion from AutoCadd to Revit

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BIM - building information modeling, sure could be useful, but only if the other consultants are using Revit, from the way I understand it. There also seems to be a lot of extra work to save the Revit drawings back to AutoCadd to send to other consultants and to import there background into Revit for us to use. Very unsure of what is all going to be needed to make this happen and than there are the guys in the field that want drawings also.

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Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:48:24 PM | Firm - making transistion from AutoCadd to Revit

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Having consultants on Autocad verses Revit is a B*TCH!

I just end up laying out all my MEP and Struct from my consultants cad files. it sucks


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Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:53:31 PM | Firm - making transistion from AutoCadd to Revit

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Why thanks for the good news, we will have to find away to work with and around the consultants. Time usually dictates how we get it done, compared to how one would like to do things.

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Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:57:56 PM | Firm - making transistion from AutoCadd to Revit

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I think part of the problem is that you are obviously still on the outside looking in.  You really need to see REVIT in action doing what it does.  And yes... when you do this, you need to look at how REVIT does things through a different set of eyes.  It isn't AutoCAD and if you try to place the limitations that are necessary from CAD onto REVIT, you will not be happy.  If, however, you can see an integrated project with 3D MEP & Structural, you will not be disappointed.  REVIT is powerful in a way that sounds like it should work really well in your application but your needs are special and it will take a champion to forge the way.

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Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:08:26 PM | Firm - making transistion from AutoCadd to Revit

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  Well I am ready to jump in and get going with Revit, just a lot of unknowns we will have to over come as they get to us. At least work won't get boring for awhile and this should keep us on the leading edge of drawing technology.


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Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:15:37 PM | Firm - making transistion from AutoCadd to Revit

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Revit for me has it's good days and bad days. Fortunately after alot of work the good days are the majority and they are far nicer than any of my old cad good days, it's just more fun to problem solve in 3D.

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Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:19:11 PM | Firm - making transistion from AutoCadd to Revit

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I do only residential work, so I can't speak to your concerns regarding coordination with many many consultants, but I will use color in some of the drawings I do, and that combined with solid toned filled regions can make the drawings read really easily. I have also done an HVAC diagram of a large house in 3D, and color coding made the diagram much simpler. The risk you run is ending up with a wacky rainbow drawing, so clearly discretion is necessary, and also color doesn't translate well to AutoCAD, so relying too heavily on it as a graphical tool could get you into trouble if you have to convert your .RVTs to .DWGs for others.

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