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The joys of growing pains... I work in an architectural office and we are starting our first project in which we will actually be sharing our model (created in Revit Architectural 2009) with our structural consultants (using Revit Structural). We are being told to separate our wall components so that they can do their structural model properly. Case in point we have a CMU wall with attached Mtl. Studs and Gyp. Normally I would make a wall type that consisted of all those elements. They are requesting that we make them two walls – a CMU wall and a Mtl. Stud and Gyp wall. Is that the best practice? With this procedure components of walls don't behave as desired. Of course windows and doors will only choose the CMU wall as their host. So you can create a hole in the furring wall where the window is, but doors don't frame correctly around the two walls. Fix for that -create a number of doors that have frames that extend past the interior side of your wall to the thickness of the furring. Doesn't that sound like an overly cumbersome way to use Revit?I've read the other Architectural/Structural model sharing threads here and none seem to mention anything about this.I'm still really a noob to Revit, but it doesn't seem to me that Revit was designed to be used in this way.Thanks for any insight.
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what your strutural consulants are requesting is also being requested more and more. Contractors are also requesting that walls be built by individual wall components and not a composite wall that consitste of the elements as you stated that you would do normaly. using the join geomerty will allow all your windows and doors to cut-thru all the different components. if this will become the standard practice remains to be seen. there are organizations working on establishinging some standards for BIM modelling, which looks if though will need them pretty soon. HTH
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Thank you for the response and thank you for the heads up on the "join geometry" work-around. At least I'll call it work-around, even if it becomes standard practice. I suppose my next question is simply, why? Why would structural want those elements separated? Don't the two corresponding flavors of Revit work together well enough that structural can clearly see their areas of concern (even with a wall comprised of multiple elements) and thus update their model. Again I simply don't know Revit Structural - I'm using Architectural. Perhaps the answer is much more obvious to someone using Structural or someone who has done more model sharing. Thanks for the information, Damon
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i don't know why structural enginneers want it, but contractors want it so they can schedule and quantify every element that makes up the wall composite. the structural engineers probably want it so that they can turn off those elements that are of no use to them. such as the metal studs and gypsum on a cmu wall. but we will see were this goes? good luck with your project
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I know I'm over a year late with this response but I have just encountered this problem as well. I work for s structural engineering company & I think the reason that the engineers are requesting this is because of a flaw in the copy monitor function. If the engineer copys your composite wall & only wants to show the CMU potion Revit will macth the centerline of the CMU with the centerline of the overall composite wall, thus making the copy monitor useless for walls in my opinion. Have other people also had this experience?
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