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Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:59:40 PM | non-editable workset

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I am using Revit 2009 on a Dell XPS running windows xp.

 

We are having a problem when we try to work with certain random families in the project.  The problem occurs when we make a change to a family and reload it into the project.  We get the following error message:

 

 

This action has caused deletion of non-editable Workset ' Family  : Windows : dead Transom with Trim '.

 

The family listed in the error message is usually the one we are working on or the last one to go crazy.  The work around I use is to change the family name currently in use to begin with the word "dead".  Then I upload the changed family  into the project using the original name.  I then have to change the components in the project to be the new family instead of the dead one.

 

When we get the error message, our options are to cancel, or to "make workset editable".  When you choose to make it editable, there is a lag, and the error reappears exactly as before.  You can repeatedly hit the editable button but it never goes away.

 

So far this has only occured on my machine.  Up until a few days ago, I was the only one in the office using Revit full time.  So, it could be a problem with my machine, or it could just be that no one else here has put in enough seat time to have the problem. 

 Currently we are trying to purge to make the file smaller.  The "dead" families are causing problems with this.  Even when we uncheck them the error still happens.  We cannot delete then either.  We get the same error.  Basically we are stuck with a growing collection of "dead" families.

 

This is a really annoying problem.  I have searched on here repeatedly, but have not found anything like this so far.

 

So, who has an answer?

 

Tim 


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Fri, May 23, 2008 at 2:20:33 PM | non-editable workset

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I had this happen once too, but mine was with a nested level family...  Have you tried beating Revit to the punch?  Open up the worksets dialog box, then chose to make editable the family workset (you have to click the family checkbox on the bottom).  Now you have it editable, try doing what you were before...  This is how I ended up solving my issue, but can't claim for certain it will work....

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Fri, May 23, 2008 at 2:28:06 PM | non-editable workset

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Yes, I have tried that.  Typically, when I open up the worksets dialog box, the workset in question is already listed as editable.  In fact, usually I am the owner.  I have also tried deleting the workset from there as well.  No dice. 

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Fri, May 23, 2008 at 2:42:38 PM | non-editable workset

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hmmm... if you say it has you as the owner, try changing your user name prior to opening the project, open it from the central file, and then open the worksets dialog, and see if it has your changed name as owning the element, or if it says your old name owns the element...  I can only wonder if it sees 2 different "yous" somehow.  Are you using the worksharing monitor for 2009?  If so then the above would have been pointed out and thus don't bother trying, unless you are grasping at straws...

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Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:10:33 PM | non-editable workset

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Ok, I tried what you suggested.  Instead of changing my user name, I went to another user and had them try to delete one of the dead families.  This is the easiest way to produce the error.  We checked the worksets before we tried it.  I had closed my session on my computer.  There was no owner listed for the workset causing the problems today.  We attempted to delete a dead family and for the same error.  We then rechecked worksets and saw the new users name listed as owner of the workset, and the workset listed as editable.  This is the same result I was getting on my machine.

 

I did not try it today, but in the past I have tried this sort of thing from the central file as well.  No luck there either.  It has to be something about these families.  Most of them are annotations, but there are several other types as well.  The latest one is a window family. 

 

What is the workset monitor you are referring too?  We just go to the file/worksets menu.

 

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Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:47:18 PM | non-editable workset

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If you have autodesk subscription, you can go to the subscription center at autodesk.com, in here you can download a worksharing/monitor tool which informs you of your lack of RAM, that others are accessing central, etc.  It caught our error when we had 2 users with the same name...  I would consider posting this one to autodesk, if you have subscription you can get online tech support, I'd be interested to figure out what is happening...  Do these families that you are trying to get rid of have nested families?  If they do, perhaps you need to figure out what the nested families are, and make them editable too...?


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Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:04:56 PM | non-editable workset

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I will enquire with the boss about the subscription.  I think we have that, but I do not know.  Certainly I was not using that tool.  I will see about downloading the tool and trying again to see what errors it will show me.

 

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Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:29:48 PM | non-editable workset

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gofastwin, is the project you were working on updated from Revit 2008 to Revit 2009?

We're running into the same exact issue and I think we've narrowed the problem down to nested families and the dialogue box to use either the nested component in the project or the family no longer comes up.

The families that were problem, were they nested with another component in the project?


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Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 1:24:24 PM | non-editable workset

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Hmm, that is an interesting idea.  We were having the problem before we updated from 2008 to 2009.  In fact, I was hoping the update would solve the problem.

 

To be honest, I really think the problem was some sort of user error.  Or at least trying to get revit to do something it does not want to do.

 

That project was finished several months ago.  Since then we have learned a ton about using revit and done several new projects.  The problem has never come back.  Maybe that first project was corrupted somehow.  Who knows.  All I can say is I love Revit!!


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