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Icox3,
I think you should have read all my posts before you tried to slaam me. If you had, you would have seen this one:
"For those folks that have not figured this out, use a model view, it has a crop region. If you then insist on having this as a drafting detail, use your "Freeze Drawing" add-in under the extensions manager. That will crate a DWG of the cropped view and will import it into a new drafting view. Now just delete your full import and model view. DONE!"
We really try to help here but sometimes things get really stupid. The solution above is for those times you can't do the cleanup you should have.
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I wasnt Slamming - I was just pointing out that your threads were dismissing peoples thoughts on needing a crop view for drafting views. It is helpful to offer a solution such as you did but to imply that there is no need for it because it does not exist is not helpful
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Agreed - crop region for drafting view would be incredibly helpful. It wouldn't take that much effort on AutoDesk's part, and it would provicde more options for users to be able to get things done. 'nuff said. That being said, my problem is that I have a linked as-built CAD site plan in a drafting view (the entire thing is needed on one sheet, but not on the sheet I'm currently trying to figure out,
but when I use the masking regions, again, like others said, it made the viewport huge. That makes my brain hurt for
no reason other than that it makes the layout navigation more clumsy. What I love about Revit is how generally un-clumsy
it is, but sometimes.. :-/
My REAL problem is:
Because the masking regions are big, the viewport now has a large white mass that covers up a vicinity map (jpg) located
above it on the sheet. I slected the image and "moved to front" but it did nothing. The un-croppable drafting view is winning
the fight, and I would really rather not have to create individualized CAD plans in every different purpose I need to usethis file for.
Am I getting something wrong? How can I make the masking region not cover up the image?
thanks
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I have not had any luck with the any sort of drawing order commands but for some reason the in order in which you add your views to the sheet dictates what item is in front of the other. I had the same issue showing piping isometrics on the same sheet as a (JPEG - Image) B.O.M. - The B.O.M's masking region was covering parts of the Iso so I removed my views from the sheet and placed the image first then placed my model views second and have had no issues with masking.
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OMG I FOUND IT.
Tried to re-import the image to get it on top, as Icox3 suggested, and it still didn't work. Then I discovered that in the properties, there is a field for "draw layer" (background vs foreground) - Selected "foreground", and it worked! Seems odd taht selecting "bring to front" doesn't do this, but at least I got what I wanted! 
-A
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I would like the crop region added to the drafting view primarily for the nice break feature to has for condensing tall wall sections. I could obviously do this manually by trimming and splitting the bejesus out of it, but it would be much faster to use the crop feature available in model views.
My 2c.
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Drafted wall sections are just plain stupid. Wall sections are always best done as model views. Cut the section, place detail elements as required, turn off model elements not wanted and split the view where needed. If you learn to use edit cut profile, many of your model s can remain.
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Just came across this thread, and I have a noob question. When you say "Create a model view", how is that a solution for a detail that is entirly drafted in a drafting view, i.e. a bollard? It seem to me it would be a lot easier to draw the long lines and then be able to make use of the breakline function on the crop window rather then the extra time it takes to draft everything taking the break into consideration.
This method also doesn't take into consideration if a project is using a mix of drawings from other sources. Let's say I have a landscape company doing my site plan, in cad. They have the bollard on their plans, but I have to show the detail on my drawings. How do I get a model view of that?
But I guess anything that isn't done the way WWHub says is stupid. This entire forum just lost a crap-ton of credability with me if that is the caliber of moderators here.
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While I agree the WWHub can be a bit abrasive at times, his knowledge and contributions to the forums on this site are very helpful to many users including myself. I wouldn't be so quick to judge from one thread. As far as the bollard question goes, I would actually place a bollard family in my project wherever they need be, then they would be exactly where they need to be in corresponding views such as elevations. Then you could have a model view that you could create a bollard detail from which would include a crop region.
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Tom,
I consider CAD to be stupid - it is just linework. Revit is not that so why use drafted wall sections that are stupid when you can use dynamic Revit ones that will update with model changes (smart)?
For simple details like a bollard, I do use a drafting detail. I also have drafting details for door/window jamb/head/sill conditions. There are good reasons and places for drafting views but wall sections is not one of them.
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WWHub,
Thank you for clarifying, sometimes it's difficult to catch the correct intention of someones typed words. I do aggree with you on keeping things "Smart", but how do you correctly dimension the breakline drafted detail? My problem is I have to show the 5'-0" depth of the foundation for the bollard and the 4'-0" height of the steel pipe. my break lines afford me the ability to show approx 2'-0" above and below grade, but when I go to dimension I can't show the correct dimension. Now I have to mask over the dim, add text, etc... At that point I may as well have placed a bollard family, cut a section and jazzed it up. Maybe I'm just being thickheaded?
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I don't like fake dimensions but there are ways to do this. The first is all dumb. Do a model view with a split window and freeze it into a drafting view. The problem is, everything now is primatives - including your dimensions.
In this blog is a smart solution (but I don't even let our staff here it here.)
http://lineshapespace.com/revit-dimensions-more-than-meets-the-eye-part-2/?goback=.gde_68075_member_263532100
I hate fake dimensions. I got burned so many times in CAD by people that just changed a dimension - and there is no way to know it! I loved the fact that initially, you could never really over-ride a Revit dimension but this does. At least when you click on this in Revit, you will see it is an over-ride.
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Crop View will be really helpful in drafting views
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I did a search on crop regions and splitting views and arrived at this thread online. Attached is a detail of a traffic bollard. One side shows how the drafting view detail is really tall. I don't need it to be this tall. I'd love to split the view and drag the top of the bollard down using my break lines and keep the dimension of 3'-6" without having to fake or cheat on the dimension. This isn't an unreasonable request for Autodesk to provide a split-view tool in drafting views.
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The inablitity to crop drafting views is certainly frustrating. Especially when you have 16+ details on a sheet all with 36"x36" boundaries. I agree with wwHub that drafting views are not the way to go for wall sections, but they are very useful for elements that repeat across projects i.e. fire rated enclosures, sill, head and jamb details, certain ADA criteria, etc that we do not want or need to set up time after time in every project. We maintain a library of such views that can be dragged into new projects, but as I said earlier, when you have 16 or so on a sheet its extremely annoying having to tab through every one. wwHub - thank you for trying to offer a solution to the problem, but we all know the real solution is for autodesk to implement a crop feature on drafting views just like they have on every other view type in revit, its just silly of them not to.
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