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form what i know about all the programs i have looked at in the past. and you add add up the the +'s and the -'s all i can say is Long Live Revit
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cgillon, i think you have to learn how to use and work with revit and then talk abaout how it works... as well as i have to learn how to work with Archicad to talk about it. I read a lot about Archicad and work a lot with the Revit and I can not agree with you but I can not say that Archicad or Revit is better or worse! In my opinion, a small number of users can have their opinions abouts those two softs, becoaus it's to dificult a single user working at 100% in both ... What I saw and I know is that in general, both are identical, one with better benefits than the other and vice versa ... Instead of discussing here that mine is better than yours, why not use that time to learn what we want? Good projects... losing battle ...
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Hi all, As some of you may know, I tend to stay clear of this argument simply because unless you are a master of both you can't make valid judgement. They each have their place and its up to the individual to trial both and select the one that they find most appropriate, easiest to use and effective. The absense of either would result in the other not having anywhere near the functionality they do now. Both companies are stealing ideas from each other... Which is great for us the end user. Too many people go around calling themselves Gurus or Specialists that mostly don't have a clue. For the most part don't take one persons word for it when they say the product can't do something. Everything that has been asked is achieveable in Revit with the exception of the detail location on sheet auto-numbering system. In Revit you need to tell the view what detail number is if you base it on a co-ordinate system. Revit will give it a default number and not allow you to have two views with the same number, but thats the extent of it. The best program users are not sales persons, they only know what they need to and as such shouldn't be the one answering technical questions like those. I trialed ArchiCAD ages ago and at the time I find it not as user friendly and mentally confusing. Revit thinks the way I do and as such I am much happier using it. No doubt many things have changed in version 12. I try to keep track purely of new features and new products, that way you know what to nag the Autodesk or Graphisoft for! So, basically as always go out and make your own minds up. Once someone has made the decision which they prefer don't bother trying to convince the converted as people don't like change. If your in a company that is using your non-preferred software then I suggest you keep looking for another company that does if you can. You are not going to be efficient or happy using something you dislike... My 2 cents.
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"I tend to stay clear of this argument simply because unless you are a master of both you can't make valid judgement." Mr Spot... That's the point i just said 
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I liked this conversation. Usually on the Graphisoft boards we get raided by Reviters and it's not as nice. I use both now and my preference was ArchiCAD, but there are some good things about Revit too. If they wanted to make the world a better place they could make the files be able to be opened in either program. Then it wouldn't matter who is better or uses this or that better. I think my biggest complaint about Revit is making you take extra steps to do something simple. In America it is 80% Revit 20% ArchiCAD (rough estimates I read) In Europe it is reversed, being that it is from....shoot I forgot. It's Monday, brain is not working. Anyhooo, good points all.
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"One main thing that comes to mind is detailing in Revit vs ArchiCAD. I am doing wall sections in ArchiCAD today and instead of chosing all of my elements from a library like in Revit (studs, bricks, joist, and steel beams) i have to draft everything with Fills; which means that i have to go online and look up the actual dimensions for everything that i don't have on the top of my head, like the size of a 20K steel joist. The end result is a wall section that woul have taken me 20 mins to layout in Revit has taken me almost 2hr to do in archiCAD."
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I agree LINZ, I have used ArchiCAD for awhile and loved it and just now have 2 projects under my belt in Revit. I want an unbiased opinion about Revit before I will voice my hard opinion on which I like best or I feel is the better product. I will say that Cadalist magazine (may have mispelled name) rated Revit 2010 a B or a B- and ArchiCAD 12 an A+ As of now I find Revit cumbersome and not as powerful or user friendly and hear complaints out of the 5 other people that know it forwards and backwards. All are bigger fans of ArchiCAD 12 because we use both in our office and have to be proficient on both. I just like the object creation better on Revit. I guess time will tell.
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" "One main thing that comes to mind is detailing in Revit vs ArchiCAD. I am doing wall sections in ArchiCAD today and instead of chosing all of my elements from a library like in Revit (studs, bricks, joist, and steel beams) i have to draft everything with Fills; which means that i have to go online and look up the actual dimensions for everything that i don't have on the top of my head, like the size of a 20K steel joist. The end result is a wall section that woul have taken me 20 mins to layout in Revit has taken me almost 2hr to do in archiCAD." As a five year Archicad user, I have to say that this guy has no clue what he is talking about. Using fills for detailing bricks? Dude - wake up. Don't forget that Archicad is the best documentation tool on the market - EVERY conceivable building element you need for detailing is in ArchiCAD. If you don't know anything about ArchiCAD, don't bother posting because you obviously don't know what you are talking about." I don't think this type of comment serves any purpose other than making the writer appear like a hairy chest beating gorilla. There are pros and cons to both packages and IMHO neither has the upper hand. If you're not a Revit user then why are you posting here? I've never tried to convert an Archicad or a Revit zealot and I'm not about to try.
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I apologize if i appeared to be a gorilla, I was only venting my frustration with dealing with the 600lb gorilla that is in the middle of my office that no one is talking about. I understand the every user is different and likes different programs. I was just angry at all the post i was reading on the graphisoft form claim the greatness of ArciCAD over Revit and came to a familiar forum to vent frustration, not realizing i was doing the same thing. I still hold fast to my initial opinion of the program but more so on a personal bias. The two of use using the program scream and shout daily about our dislike of the fact that it doesn't do (fill in the blank). My anger is from our firm owners, who don't use the software, telling us that ArchiCAD is better because they read that it was and that we just have to figure it out because other firms have used it with success so we have to as well. So please take my previous post with a grain of salt, and remember how you feel the day after an all nighter and maybe the best thing to take away is to never let emotions guide post in tech forums.
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No worries. I completely agree with you and your level of frustration. I worked as a consultant in a firm that used Revit, and it was equally as frustrating for me. I think both our experiences point to a larger issue which is product training and implementation. No matter what platform you are working on, it's up to the leader's in the firm to provide the correct transition strategy if they expect to have a happy healthy staff who are also productive. A lot of firms buy the software and assume it will somehow magically be absorbed into the workflow.
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here ya go! this should be fun..... ^_^ http://www.scribd.com/doc/2231948/Revit-vs-Archicad-vs-Microstation interesting read.... not sure where the document came from, (supposively from here??  ) so take it with a grain of salt.
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revit is the most important sofware in my life..not archicad...thank you...
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" here ya go! this should be fun..... ^_^ http://www.scribd.com/doc/2231948/Revit-vs-Archicad-vs-Microstation interesting read.... not sure where the document came from, (supposively from here?? ) so take it with a grain of salt." qabulin, I read this article, it is not accurate. Especially the support part. I have never had an issue from a forum or the resellers. I usually get a phone call directly and get help within an hour. The resellers keep experts around if they are not ones themselves to help their clients with any issues. It is my favorite part of AC. It's the age old chevy vs ford etc argument. They both get you from point A to B.
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Nobody has asked or mentioned file size or 3d rendering. Someone has got to have an opinion on that.
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It seems to me that non Revit users will angrily defend their old software as "doing the job", without properly evaluating Revit. If there is something in Revit they cant make it do, rather than work out how to do it rather they decide the program is crap. I know this because I was one of those people, playing with Revit for about a year and griping about it, until I decided to dive in rather than dip my toes in the water. There are ways to do just about everything. The productivity increase is huge. If you put in the hard work to start with, Revit will really reward you for it.
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