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Hi,

New to revit, I've read pile a books about it, but can't stand working with it. I feel handcuffed, accepting bad design since I can't make Revit do what I want.

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I'm trying to make a Shaft or opening to a wall. I'd like the opening to go to flush from wall corner to wall corner. If stretch the Shaft walls become unjoined. What's wrong?

This should be like a 101 thing an architect would do, why is it so difficult?

Please help. Thanks.

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Reading books and implementing the process in Revit are 2 totally different things.  This program is well put together and the old bad design comes from the user.  On that note if you do not want those 2 walls joined click on the shaft wall and you will see a blue dot, right click on that and hit disallow join.

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Working with Revit sure is different from reading a book, I think I've read the same online help pages over and over again and I still can't accomplish the simplest things..!

I disallowed join but can't drag the wall off the concrete wall. The wall just snaps back...

Anyway, thanks for your reply and sorry about ranting. I really appreciate all the assistance.

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What teafoe said with respect to wall joins does work but maybe you didn't do it correctly.  But maybe your question was not correct.

Looking at your original question, it dealt with a shaft opening.  I'm not sure what you meant my this: "...If stretch the Shaft...."   What? - Jus edit the sketch and align with the walls.  Are you sure you mean shaft opening or do you mean wall opening?  These are two different things!

If you really meant wall opening the this is a different process. 

• Do you want the walls joined at the corner like you show but with the opening cut aligned with the one wall?  Look at the first image.  Don't turn off wall joins and drag the opening over.  It will snap to the other wall face.
• If you don't want the walls joined like the right image.  Then drag the opening to the right.  Do as teafoe says to turn off the joins on the right wall and drag it back to the corner.  Now drag the opening back over.

You will find out that Revit is far easier than CAD programs but you have to learn it and not fight it. 

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Thanks for your reply.

Ok, here's what I did in steps:

1. I have wall and want to create an opening with edges aligned to walls at the corners and I want to keep the walls at corners joined.

2. Created the opening.

3. Stretched the opening to the side of the wall and get the error message "Can't keep elements joined."

Pressing "Unjoin..." gives me the opening, but messes up the corners. Cancel keeps corners the way I want them, but then there's no opening.

Maybe I'm just stupid and should stick to stupid programs?

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In all three pictures, your bottom wall is not joined to the wall at the left. 

OK ....I was able to re-create what I think is your problem.  But before I go any furthur, I totally dislike wall openings.  They are not easy to manage and the wall faces don't return.  You can't just set a fixed length of opening.  I would rather use a "door" opening family or just sketch the wall opening in elevation using the wall sketch.

That being said, here is how to do the process.

1. Pick the lower wall and turn off wall joins on the left.  (if you have to, move the opening to the right.)
2. Add an exact dimension across the room above. (no rounding)
3. Click on the opening and change the blue dimension to the room dimension. 
4. Click on the blue dimension to make it a real dimension and lock it.  Now delete the dimension if you don't need it.
5. Pick the opening and the move command and using the end, drag it over to the left corner.  DON'T use align because the opening will want to change length!

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"I would rather use a "door" opening family or just sketch the wall opening in elevation using the wall sketch."

I 100% agree

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Wow, there it is!

I couldn't resize the opening to exact measurement as in step 3 (pic 1), but I could change the left distance to zero so that the opening would resize to desired measurement (pic 2).

I understand the opening may not be the correct tool for the job. I'll try the "opening door", or perhaps use a separate wall for the enclosed area above the opening. This would actually be closest to the real word situation, as wall above has different requirements to the wall at the bottom.

Thanks again.

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