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I can only smile....  because I really can't understand why you can't draw within the area you want it to be in.   Afterall, it is a "DRAFTING VIEW"!  You need crop regions on model views because those elements extend beyond where you need them.

Maybe it's because I started drafting in the '60's and I understand how to draw.

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On occassion, I've imported a "library" detail drafting view and then modified it to be the correct size.  When I bring it into a sheet, Revit still remembers the "maximum" size of that detail before items were deleted / shortened or made to fit on the *sheet* they share with other details.  So the "viewport" does appear to be oversized, even though the details has been modified.  Maybe if Autodesk doesn't include a crop region on drafting views, they should at least have an option to resize the viewport based on recent changes.  For those of you asking about dimensions - when you do have to "fake it" for a drafting view you want to split up (for example the bollard which is cut using break lines) I put down an actual dimension and then (gasp) add a new text object on top of it with the correct dimension.  Cheating?  Yes.  But it works.

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As I explained earlier..... Add your dafting view elements to a model view (w/o model elements) and then crop / split / dimension correctly to your hearts content!   No need for any other things! Keep the darned 2D views in your 2D library so they stay 2D and can be used in all projects. 

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But you can't "Insert Views from File" that have been created as a drafting view from an old project or detail library into a new project  model view, right?

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I have tried very hard to get my office off of the CAD habit of copying from old projects.   This cut and paste can be a dangerous process.  I prefer to maintain a library of details in a library project where they are maintained and changed when the codes change.  Old projects never get updated.  Anytime someone develops a good drafting view that needs to be in our library, they send it to me.  The views are all presented on sheets named appropriately and are far easier to find than searching through old projects that have to be upgraded.

Your right - model views don't transfer.  But drafting views from a well maintained library do.  From the library, you can either transfer the view and copy/paste from that view to a model view or simple copy / paste from the library drafting view into your model view.

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We are 100% revit and don't have any cad details anymore at all.  Like you, we never copy/paste from old projects into new ones.  We havge a detail library which is comprised of drafting views.  Those details can be inserted as drafting views into a new project using the "Insert > Insert from file > Insert Views from File" command.  It's not bad copy/pasting from a drafting view into a model view, but what's nice is that our library drafting views are all named in a nice manner to get them to show up organized in the project browser.  I don't think it's wrong for people to want a crop region in drafting views, but what I'd rather see is the ability for more view types to allow an underlay for reference purposes.

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Underlay.... That's why you use a model view!!!!   If you use a callout, it has a model that you can paste your drafting elements into and adjust according to the model.   Then turn off the model in VG if necessary.

I really don't understand why this is such a big issue.  Your library process is just like ours.   The only thing I am suggesting is that pasting into a model view which gives you so many benefits that you don't have in a drafting view!

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Thanks for cleaning up those erroneous posts of mine (I have no idea why it's doing that).  I like to underlay one section view on to another elsewhere in the building.  Not to use as an underlay to draft over - but just to compare notes / elevations.  Usually a reference plane works, but sometimes additional underlay features for building or wall sections could be useful...  I think we're on the same page - just a couple minor differences in where we organize views in the project browser. :-)

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Ahhh thats the problem! I need to learn how to draw! Thanks, very helpful, this is the wishlist thread, after all  // i guess i should stop wishing for crop regions in drafting views and start wishing that i knew how to draw!

My question is this: Why not? I get that people like wwHub convert their drafting views to dwg through some extension and then back to drafting views to get them to size out nicely. Not exactly a streamlined workflow though, espescially when you have to update the views occasionally for code compliance, and espescially when a checkbox could do the same thing... and does do the same thing in every other type of view.

I use drafting views for details. I use detail components in these views (crazy, right?), unfortunately the detail components also push the pick box out to enormous size, even when they are sized down appropriately. Are we not supposed to use detail components in drafting views? Thats nuts.

Guess ill keep wishing I knew how to draw...

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I use detail components in drafting views and have no problems.   This issue is probably caused by how the detail component was created.  I like my components to be parametric so I can adjust them to fit my view and not have to 'crop my view'. 

Attached is a 2014 Curtain Wall Horizontal intermediate mullion detail item.  If you place this in a model or drafting view, you will see that the upper and lower 'glass' can be pulled up or down as needed.  Almost none of the stock detail elements have this instance adjustment so we have modified these over time to fit our requirements.

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Now we are getting somewhere! Guess I'll have to start parameterizing all of our detail components. Sucks that the shape handles dont do the job. but hey, at least its a start.

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Did you know that you can place reference planes in a drafting view and lock the elements to that so that multiple items can be adjusted by simply moving that plane? 

Or say you have a detail break line component with other elements going to that.  You can align lock those elements to the break line.  Move the break line and the other elements move.

I personally would rather have all of these drafting elements in a model view where I use the model elements as much as possible.  If you learn to use 'edit cut profile', you can modify much of the model geometry and not need so much filled regions.  For example, a detail at a curtain wall intersection with say a masonry wall.  I use a model view but turn off the curtain wall (hide).  Add my CW detail components.  Use edit cut profile to wrap the gyp bd from the wall back to the CW.  And add whatever other needed detail components.

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There is always a way in Revit.  VWHub, that you know a couple of workarounds does not make the idea of a crop region in drafting view stupid.

What is more stupid, is using images etc. in model view purely because it has a crop region, or masking the image so that the viewport does not actually reduce in size.  Realistically, a crop region in drafting view would be most appropriate.

FYI, when almost every one of your posts contains arrogance and abuse, the emotional weakness dominates any intelligence/experience you share.

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OK, let's put the emotion aside, and beat this dead horse again.

I always suggest my co-workers while they are exploring the Revit for the first time. Keep your architectural/engineering knowledge and forget the AutoCAD entirely.

Here are two examples for the "Revit Ways".

1. Bollards: this is for complicate projects with lots of different bollards. 

a. Create a 3D model family with shared parameters "Mark", "Dia.", "Height", "Ftg. Dia." and "Ftg. depth".

b. Create one drafting view bollard detail, with four dimensions "DIA. SEE SCHED.", "HIGHT, SEE SCHED.", "FTG. DIA. SEE SCHED." and "FTG. DEPTH, SEE SCHED.".

c. Place the bollard types on the plans, then populate a "BOLLARD SCHEDULE" and place on the sheet.

2. HM Door Details: using Revit "Drafting View", "Detail Item" parametric door frame family in Revit library.

a. Our projects have two basic HM door frames, "Security" and "Non-Security". Using the "Properties" to set up gauge - 16/12, stop - 1/2" and 3/4", door thickness - 1 3/4" and 2".

b. Create drafting view door header, jamb details with different wall types, such as stud, masonry, concrete, Trussbilt, with appropriate HM frame types.

AutoCAD has lots of dificiencies due to the hardware limitations decades ago:

1. File structure: individual files for each sheet vs. one file for a project.

2. Layers, now is so obsolete, let the computer to handle them.

3. Plotting, useing color to control the line weights. Could you image that use them to create a colored presentation drawing with beatiful colors?

4. Drawing black background. Just like asking a photographer to check the quality of his/her pictures through negative films.

Please FORGET all your AutoCAD knowledge!

Hope this time we can bury this 11-year old dead horse.

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Your comments are interesting but why don't you contribute some knowledge to the site?   This was your first post since you joined and you haven't done any uploads.  You seem you seem to be one that only takes and complains.  Try to be useful and contribute some knowledge in your next post.

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