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Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:40:31 PM | Intelligent Room Finish Schedules

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I'm trying to get our project template as efficient as possible.  My goal is to have schedules update when walls, windows, rooms, etc. are changed.  These changes could even be done in a 3D view.  For example, let's say I'm looking in a project's 3D view and realize I want the SOUTH WALL painted with PNT-01 instead of PNT-02.  If I change it in 3D my material tags update in my interior elevations but do not update in my Room Finish Schedule.  

(look at the images below; PNT-01=red paint, PNT-02=blue paint)

I just want to reduce the opportunity for error.  Having to change this value twice will be a problem.  Has anyone else found a better solution? 



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Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:00:02 PM | Intelligent Room Finish Schedules

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What are you tagging?  How do you do your schedule (dumb)?

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Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:06:12 PM | Intelligent Room Finish Schedules

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Right now I click on the room -> element properties and change the floor finish, wall base, wall finishes (n,e,s,w) and ceiling.  All of which are project parameters I created.  Now if I change one of those parameters in any room it will not update my tags on the interior elevation.  The two aren't linked.

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Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:39:05 PM | Intelligent Room Finish Schedules

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OK - So your schedule is room based... I ask AGAIN - What are you tagging?

 

How can you expect something to be smart if you don't tell it how?   If you have a wall that spans more than one room, what you tag it with will be in each room and on both faces!   Just because you change the color in 3D doesn't mean anything.   If you want something to be smart then you have to build the links and I don't know how you are going to do that to finishes that are not room based to begin with.  

 

I think you need to look again at what you want to do.  I don't know of anyone that is building in color finish schedules to room walls. It can be done usingveneers but ...wow...what a pain!


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Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:50:24 PM | Intelligent Room Finish Schedules

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the images show material tags not corresponding to the room schedule.  I used the paint tool to change the material.  All I'm trying to do is have room elements (floor finish, wall base, wall finishes (n,e,s,w) and ceiling) change with the material tags.

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Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:58:48 PM | Intelligent Room Finish Schedules

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maybe it isn't possible to do what I'm asking.  I mean how can I expect to have the room "know" which wall is north, east, south or west where on one side it could be north in one room and south on the other side.  

What if I didn't use a material tag to show the material type (afterall I really don't care what material it is in 3D, I just want the sheets to display consistantly) and instead I used a room tag that only had a label of a room element (ie South Wall Finish)?  It's kindof a weird workaround but I'm just trying to think of alternatives.  What do you think WWhub?


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Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:33:36 PM | Intelligent Room Finish Schedules

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The problem is schedules are elements by rows and parameters by columns only.  So you can have rooms in rows but only room values in columns and you have NSEW which is OK.  But you can't get the walls or anything else into the columns.

 

You could build an invisiblefamily with wall orientation and finish as its parameters & place that in each room by each wall.  Then you could schedule those by room (donn't show column) and it might look like.

Room 101    Wall Finish

   East wall     Paint Red

   West wall    Paint Blue.....

Room 102 .....

 

But where would the categories go for floor and ceiling... The schedule could be all vertical.


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Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 6:47:35 PM | Intelligent Room Finish Schedules

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that's an option however I don't think my office will understand (not too experienced with Revit).  Do you think my last post about using room tags instead of material tags would work?  I'm trying it now but I'm not sure about problems we might run into throughout the duration of any project.

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Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:02:42 PM | Intelligent Room Finish Schedules

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Sure - You can do what you want.  One tag has name and number and a different tag that just has the finishes or one that has all.  I think two tags is a good answer and the tag can be placed in plans or sections since all info is in the room properties.

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Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:28:23 AM | Intelligent Room Finish Schedules

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To clear this up, the room objects know nothing about materials assigned to other objects such as walls.

The OTB finish information and any parameters you create and assign to rooms are simply "text" fields that you type the information into.  If you paint a wall, floor or ceiling with a material or assign a material to any of those objects the rooms are not aware of that information.  It would be extremely difficult to have rooms made aware of the finishes on other objects as you can have a wall going across multiple rooms with multiple finishes on the wall in multiple patterns.

If the wall has a consistant finish on it then maybe use the finish field of the room.  If there are multiple finishes on a wall then maybe fill the finish information in the room object with "Varies (see elevation).  If there are multiple finishes on a wall it is likely that you will need to indicate them in elevation to get the contractor to place them correctly.  In elevation you can tag those finishes as you have been doing.

The other option is to skip the idea of a room finish schedule all together and simply indicate finishes through tagging them in elevation.  This of course depends on the size and complexity of your project.

I tend to rcommend the 80/20 method.  Place 80% of the finish information in the room object and handle the 20% exceptions in the elevations.

Also, be sure you explore the use of "key schedules" in Revit to facilitate things like assigning common sets of finishes to a room.

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